Lots of talk this week about privacy
so we talked about that too,
in the context of church and online ministry.
8:54 | *tap tap tap* Is this thing on? #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 8:54 rev_david |
8:54 | Would also help to use the right account, since @rev_david is moderating tonight! #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 8:54 MeredithGould |
8:54 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 8:54 mulka |
8:55 | Good to see folks gathering for tonight's chat. How is everyone this week? #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 8:55 rev_david |
8:55 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 8:55 theologybird |
8:56 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 8:56 chsocm |
8:56 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 8:56 rev_david |
8:57 | The tweetchat isn't loading #chsocm any suggestions Tuesday June 11, 2013 8:57 MicheleLKoch |
8:57 | Trying twubs too #chsocm twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 8:57 mnplatypus |
8:58 | . @MicheleLKoch You didn't get the memo? Tweetchat is...RIP. Try twubs.com or tchat.io or oneqube.com #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 8:58 MeredithGould |
8:58 | @mnplatypus I'm also testing out twubs tonight. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 8:58 LeistCatalano |
8:58 | @rev_david hello #chsocm here in Oakland. Am I late? Tuesday June 11, 2013 8:58 jazzpastord |
8:59 | It's time to start the music, it's time to light the lights, it's time to get things started on the #chsocm chat tonight! Tuesday June 11, 2013 8:59 rev_david |
8:59 | @jazzpastord Right on time! #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 8:59 rev_david |
8:59 | Using TweetDeck tonight, as I had some success with it at a synod assembly. Mostly afraid I'm going to forget the tag! #ChSocM Tuesday June 11, 2013 8:59 ohxjulie |
8:59 | FWIW, my big plan is to toggle among 4 different chat platforms to try them out since I don't have to focus on moderating! #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 8:59 MeredithGould |
8:59 | Ah, here we go, hello everyone #chsocm twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 8:59 MicheleLKoch |
8:59 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 8:59 mirgray |
9:00 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:00 MeredithGould |
9:00 | Special welcome to the folks joining us for 1st time! If you miss some, transcript will be available: bit.ly/pTDoAb later. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:00 rev_david |
9:00 | If you normally just listen in, consider speaking up tonight. We would love to hear from you! #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:00 rev_david |
9:01 | @mnplatypus Nice way of saying, "nuts." Thank you! xx #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:01 MeredithGould |
9:01 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:01 rev_david |
9:01 | @MeredithGould First one didn't go through but the second one did. Odd. #chsocm #chsocm twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:01 mirgray |
9:01 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:01 MicheleLKoch |
9:01 | @nealffischer #chsocm chat #tweetchat will be reported tomorrow. You can use our #smartstream tonight onreQube.com Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:01 oneQubeMe |
9:02 | We like to open our chat with prayer, to remember who we are & invite God’s presence in our conversation. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:02 rev_david |
9:02 | @MeredithGould well it would be nuts for me to try something like that but I'm sure you can handle it :) #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:02 mnplatypus |
9:02 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:02 rev_david |
9:02 | The Lord be with y’all! #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:02 rev_david |
9:02 | {SO need prayer!} #chsocm twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:02 MeredithGould |
9:03 | @rev_david and also with you #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:03 mnplatypus |
9:03 | and also with you #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:03 LeistCatalano |
9:03 | @MeredithGould any recommended apps? #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:03 jonfogle |
9:03 | And also with you #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:03 MicheleLKoch |
9:03 | @rev_david And also w/y'all, y'all or whatever #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:03 MeredithGould |
9:03 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:03 BreadTweet |
9:03 | Almighty & merciful God, we give you thanks for this day, and for this community of learning. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:03 rev_david |
9:04 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:04 MeredithGould |
9:04 | Be present w/ all those are lonely, suffering, sick, or grieving this night – esp those who weigh heavily on our hearts #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:04 rev_david |
9:05 | Fill our conversation with the power, wisdom, and guidance of your Spirit. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:05 rev_david |
9:05 | "Top 30 church tech blogs" from @churchmag #chsocm churchm.ag/top-church-tec… \\ @SocMediaChurch made the list too Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:05 djchuang |
9:05 | Bless the ministries of all those who are using social media to proclaim the Gospel, that our work would grow your Kingdom. Amen #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:05 rev_david |
9:06 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:06 MeredithGould |
9:06 | Next up: Introductions! Yay! Tell us a little bit about yourself, and why you care about #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:06 rev_david |
9:06 | On my summer vacation, I...oh, wait, that wasn't the question. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:06 MeredithGould |
9:07 | As you make your intros, you can be thinking about tonight's topic: Privacy & safety. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:07 rev_david |
9:07 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:07 paulsteinbrueck |
9:07 | Church admin responsible for digital ministry and other duties as assigned . #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:07 MicheleLKoch |
9:07 | Mike Rinehart. Learning how to connect church leaders across a wide geography. Gulf Coast Synod #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:07 BreadTweet |
9:07 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:07 ohxjulie |
9:07 | I'm Angela, staff at @ZionBuffalo near Minneapolis. For me #chsocm is an essential tool to keeping folks throughout the week. Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:07 mnplatypus |
9:07 | @paulsteinbrueck Not broken, done. Resurrecting tomorrow as something else. Meanwhile, use bit.ly/11ef2Av Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:07 chsocm |
9:08 | I'm a #chsocm volunteer for @StTimsEpiscopal. I also have a prayers project @EpiscopalShare. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:08 LeistCatalano |
9:08 | <--media slinger, social and old fashioned, future creator of reddit-o-phobe support group in a tasteful episcopal color. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:08 bfelice |
9:08 | #legalvoiceover We assume tweets are yours alone, & do not represent your church, org, denomination, employer, spouse, or parents #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:08 rev_david |
9:08 | #legalvoiceover Dude, don’t spam. Please refrain from pitching products, blogs, websites, services, etc during the chat. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:08 rev_david |
9:08 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:08 mirgray |
9:08 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:08 jonfogle |
9:09 | #Episcopal priest. Bishop's staff. #Baltimore MD. Using SM to connect across a broad church. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:09 RevWeb |
9:09 | Work on Web content for Catholic publisher in Chicago. Blogs are social media too! #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:09 Denise205 |
9:09 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:09 rev_david |
9:09 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:09 MeredithGould |
9:10 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:10 MeredithGould |
9:10 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:10 rev_david |
9:10 | <- Regina, ecumenical. evangelist. @MeredithGould wannabe, so see her intro. except the sociology part. *shivers* #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:10 reckshow |
9:10 | Pastor, UCC, Order of Corpus Christi, AmericanBrittanyGuy, SimpleCountryPastor. #chsocm twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:10 jonfogle |
9:10 | Twubs will add the tag for you. But as I've learned you can turn off the URL if you click the x below the tweet box. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:10 mirgray |
9:11 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:11 paulsteinbrueck |
9:11 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:11 MeredithGould |
9:11 | #chsocm parish pastor, looking for a call, leaning new media Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:11 prkrister |
9:12 | love the twub, love the new conference tools there too, #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:12 bfelice |
9:12 | @paulsteinbrueck I owe you a blog post & other stuff. Haven't forgotten! On my list. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:12 MeredithGould |
9:12 | @prkrister Hi, Krister. Long time. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:12 mirgray |
9:12 | Background: Lots of convos this week about privacy, and the invasion thereof. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:12 rev_david |
9:13 | @MeredithGould Cool. I'll be posting/sharing results from the Communications Strategy Survey tomorrow. #chsocm twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:13 paulsteinbrueck |
9:13 | Check out the #chsocm Twub for live tweets, photos, videos and more at twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:13 MeredithGould |
9:13 | Downloading twubs #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:13 BreadTweet |
9:13 | Social media volunteer for a church in SEPA, ELCA. Co-own a non-profit-focused creative agency by day #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:13 vcwoodbury |
9:13 | @paulsteinbrueck Oh, then I'm probably too late! :-( #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:13 MeredithGould |
9:14 | @BreadTweet Glad to have you joining in tonight! #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:14 rev_david |
9:14 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:14 daniellehage |
9:14 | Re: Twubs. Loved how I was able to brand it for this chat, using color palette & logo for account, etc. Very cool benefit. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:14 MeredithGould |
9:14 | Great to see so many new faces tonight! Please feel free to jump in, and ask questions if you need help! #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:14 rev_david |
9:14 | Just now joining in, using Twubs for 1st time. Cheryl, left-coaster, Episcopalian, SM enthusiast #chsocm twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:14 LuckyCharm333 |
9:14 | @MeredithGould Oh, no you're not. I'm planning several more posts in the communications strategy series. #chsocm twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:14 paulsteinbrueck |
9:15 | Episcopal priest, Camp Director--so all sorts of privacy stuff we wade through #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:15 theologybird |
9:15 | @daniellehage Welcome! It moves quickly but there's (almost) always a transcript posted afterward. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:15 MeredithGould |
9:15 | Drumroll ... Topic one coming ... #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:15 rev_david |
9:15 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:15 MeredithGould |
9:15 | T1 – Very broad. How much privacy do / should people expect when coming to events at church? #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:15 rev_david |
9:15 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:15 prkrister |
9:16 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:16 MicheleLKoch |
9:16 | T1 None or next-to-none. Privacy is a near-bankrupt concept these days & I believe that's in part due to digital technologies. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:16 MeredithGould |
9:16 | @rev_david Do you include worship in "events" #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:16 bfelice |
9:16 | A1: Some privacy. More privacy than in mall but less than in doctor's office. Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:16 mirgray |
9:16 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:16 jonfogle |
9:16 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:16 rev_david |
9:17 | @MeredithGould thank you! I did check out previous transcripts on the blog today that I will dive more into. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:17 daniellehage |
9:17 | T1 Typically not much privacy at church - unless the particular event is sensitive in nature #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:17 mnplatypus |
9:17 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:17 rev_david |
9:17 | T1: At the bottom of every email for our synod assembly was disclaimer - we are webcasting your image will likely be used. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:17 nealffischer |
9:17 | T1: A reasonable amount. My church puts names of previous week visitors in the bulletin, but I wouldn't put them on fb. #ChSocM Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:17 ohxjulie |
9:17 | @rev_david How are you defining "privacy"? #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:17 MeredithGould |
9:17 | A1: Grief might be private to community but isn't the understanding that our lives are shared (i.e. not private)? #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:17 mirgray |
9:18 | @MeredithGould I guess that's part of the question. :) #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:18 rev_david |
9:18 | T1 I don't think it's an expectation for adults, but definitely for small children #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:18 MicheleLKoch |
9:18 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:18 Arnezzy |
9:18 | T1: I'm also cool with posting pictures from events, as long as people have the option to tag/share themselves, not done for them #ChSocM Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:18 ohxjulie |
9:18 | Yes, the first question was intentionally very general. :) #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:18 rev_david |
9:18 | T1 In my experience, secrecy seems to be more prevalent than privacy in church settings. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:18 MeredithGould |
9:18 | @rev_david T1: Not much. It's a public event. Privacy in personal conversations and prayer. #chsocm twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:18 paulsteinbrueck |
9:19 | RT @MicheleLKoch: T1 I don't think it's an expectation for adults, but definitely for small children #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:19 rev_david |
9:19 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:19 jonfogle |
9:19 | T1cont. we have put names online when appropriate - but generally leave phone #'s and emails off unless a response is needed. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:19 nealffischer |
9:19 | T1 I will sometimes wait to see what our members post on FB themselves first before sharing info #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:19 MicheleLKoch |
9:20 | T1 I never realized how difficult it would be for me to answer this question. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:20 LuckyCharm333 |
9:20 | A1: We have privacy policy on photos (need consent) but text tweets without names are not private (yet). #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:20 mirgray |
9:20 | T1 faces yes. I take a photo of congregation every Sunday. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:20 BreadTweet |
9:20 | T1 careful with names. Don't always ask. Have taken stuff down at request. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:20 BreadTweet |
9:21 | T1a – Do you distinguish between adults and children when it comes to privacy & online ministry? How? #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:21 rev_david |
9:21 | Hmm the RT and reply function not working in twubs for me. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:21 MicheleLKoch |
9:21 | T1 Why would adults need/want less privacy than children? One visitor didn't want to tell us anything, even her first name. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:21 LuckyCharm333 |
9:21 | I might be the only one who gets creeped out by capturing someone else's sacred moments on film. Without their advance permission #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:21 bfelice |
9:21 | If you're interested in a drop in, peer-learning conversation about church & social media, join me now at #chsocm Tues 9pm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:21 RevEverett |
9:21 | T1 I like the idea of having a disclaimer that we are broadcasting live/recording for web. We post pics of adults- don't tag names. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:21 daniellehage |
9:22 | T1: Prayer requests are a big one. Have heard some horror stories about people learning of a family/friend death via fb #ChSocM Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:22 ohxjulie |
9:22 | @chsocm So who has a video camera above the church door w facial recognition to take church attendance? ;) #chsocm twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:22 paulsteinbrueck |
9:22 | T1 have a great example of this... but I'd be violating privacy to share story. hmmm. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:22 reckshow |
9:22 | T1 unless confidentiality is part of an activities norm (sm grps?) or it's a 1to1/f2f thing, no--and even then ppl talk #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:22 theologybird |
9:22 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:22 rev_david |
9:23 | T1a Hmm, I'm not sure we have formal definition. But local law would trump our call anyway. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:23 mirgray |
9:23 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:23 MeredithGould |
9:23 | T1a we have photo releases on kids but haven't implemented that for adults yet. Need to. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:23 MicheleLKoch |
9:23 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:23 BreadTweet |
9:23 | T1a - Best practice is to not ID kids. Ever. Doubt many follow that advice. Shud really get folks OK to post images of kids. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:23 RevWeb |
9:23 | So true!//RT @MeredithGould: T1 In my experience, secrecy seems to be more prevalent than privacy in church settings. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:23 theologybird |
9:23 | #NSA does Church MT @paulsteinbrueck So a video camera above the door w facial recognition to take church attendance? ;) #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:23 RevEverett |
9:23 | T1a This is VBS week for us & parents love FB photos ... which means much photoshopping out kid's last names but not adults #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:23 mnplatypus |
9:23 | @LuckyCharm333 Want/need not necessarily different with age, but more safety concerns with what's posted about children. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:23 Denise205 |
9:23 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:23 nealffischer |
9:24 | @rev_david No. But I've noticed recently we always have multiple camera in each regular service. But no regular #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:24 mirgray |
9:24 | @LuckyCharm333 That said, I think people of all ages deserve the respect that privacy gives. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:24 Denise205 |
9:24 | T2 – Quick show of hands – how many require a photo release? #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:24 rev_david |
9:24 | @MeredithGould A church fb page posted about a member death very shortly after they'd been notified. I'd wait until obit posts. #ChSocM Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:24 ohxjulie |
9:24 | T1a Adults can have safety concerns, too. Stalkers exist. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:24 LuckyCharm333 |
9:24 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:24 paulsteinbrueck |
9:24 | T1a We have photo releases for all Sunday school and VBS children. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:24 vcwoodbury |
9:25 | @rev_david *Hand raised for the seminary* #ChSocM Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:25 ohxjulie |
9:25 | T2 I recommend church clients adopt that as a best practice. Rarely is it done. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:25 MeredithGould |
9:25 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:25 MeredithGould |
9:25 | T1 Prayer list is a moderated mailing list. We use only first name in services and rarely print details. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:25 mirgray |
9:25 | T2: I tend to use disclaimers more often than releases. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:25 nealffischer |
9:26 | T2 Should be non-negotiable best practice for anything involving children. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:26 MeredithGould |
9:26 | @paulsteinbrueck wow, I didn't know that existed. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:26 MicheleLKoch |
9:26 | @mnplatypus Why do you need to crop out names? How did they get in the pic to begin with? #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:26 Denise205 |
9:26 | T1a: yes! For so many reasons: safety, consent, parent concerns, legal issues. Minors and sm is a lot of navigation #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:26 theologybird |
9:26 | T2 - Releases should become norm. Probably folks will see it as an annoyance but I think ppl will be grateful to be asked. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:26 RevWeb |
9:26 | T2: I'd definitely do one for VBS, especially since you have people who probably aren't part of the "regular" community #ChSocM Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:26 ohxjulie |
9:27 | @RevEverett This is a learning experience for me. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:27 Ekraal |
9:27 | Not enough! @rev_david T2 – Quick show of hands – how many require a photo release? #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:27 Denise205 |
9:27 | Me like twubs! #chsocm twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:27 BreadTweet |
9:27 | RT @TweetChat: Product Update: #TweetChat Functionality to be Resurrected Tomorrow wp.me/p3akEd-1im via @internetlabs #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:27 MeredithGould |
9:27 | @LuckyCharm333 for us it lets them know photos will be taken and used and they should let us know if they want to opt out #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:27 mnplatypus |
9:27 | T2: *Members* must have releases. Visitors are not covered. But I don't think I've seen a visitor in a shared pic yet. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:27 mirgray |
9:27 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:27 MicheleLKoch |
9:27 | @Denise205 Nametags #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:27 mnplatypus |
9:27 | If you require a release, how do you handle visitors at events / worship? #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:27 rev_david |
9:27 | <-- had stalker years ago who met me in church, found my address in directory. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:27 LuckyCharm333 |
9:28 | @rev_david T2: The church staff is required to get a photo release or parents are required to sign one? #chsocm twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:28 paulsteinbrueck |
9:28 | T2a - If you require a release, how do you handle visitors at events / worship? #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:28 rev_david |
9:28 | @nealffischer Ah. Good idea, covers all bases! #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:28 LuckyCharm333 |
9:29 | @LuckyCharm333 Yes, I had a similar experience. Multiple directories are available in church lobby to all who wander in. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:29 mirgray |
9:29 | @Denise205 @LuckyCharm333 adults are more likely to have made a decision abt their privacy, and say so. Kids, less so #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:29 theologybird |
9:29 | @LuckyCharm333 True, adults need safety too, no doubt. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:29 Denise205 |
9:30 | Yes! Esp bc of the minors RT @rev_david: T2 – Quick show of hands – how many require a photo release? #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:30 theologybird |
9:30 | Group shots of young people are always better -- I stay away from closeups that focus on one or two kids #ChSocM Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:30 ohxjulie |
9:30 | RT @djchuang: "Top 30 church tech blogs" from @churchmag #chsocm churchm.ag/top-church-tec… \\ @SocMediaChurch made the list too Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:30 brandonacox |
9:31 | @rev_david I try to ask permission for all kid & adult photos I take and post #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:31 LeistCatalano |
9:31 | T2: re: photo release for church events- anyone have one posted online we could use as a template? #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:31 RevEverett |
9:31 | At VBS, we posted signage informing of photos, & giving parents chance to opt out. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:31 rev_david |
9:32 | @mirgray Some churches have signs notifying church attenders service is being broadcast. #chsocm twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:32 paulsteinbrueck |
9:32 | @RevEverett Check your local or national church body for a privacy policy. It is a good shared practice. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:32 mirgray |
9:32 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:32 MeredithGould |
9:32 | We are going to be adding a notice in bulletins. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:32 rev_david |
9:33 | Hi there, just arrived and read the stream. With VBS photo ops coming up, this is a great topic. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:33 singingcarolyn |
9:33 | I'm thankful we've never actually had anyone opt out ... I'm thinking it would prevent the 'big picture' group shots #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:33 mnplatypus |
9:33 | T2a-In Utah, always told news media no pix of ppl receiving Communion in case their Mormon or Catholic bishop recognized them. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:33 RevWeb |
9:33 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:33 nealffischer |
9:33 | Our VBS registration form has photo release on it. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:33 vcwoodbury |
9:33 | T2 sample bulletin notice? #chsocm twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:33 BreadTweet |
9:33 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:33 MicheleLKoch |
9:33 | T2a Trying to wrap my brain around how you'd ask visitors to sign releases. It's already difficult to manage great hospitality #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:33 MeredithGould |
9:34 | @BreadTweet "Photos taken during worship may be used for publicity online & in print ... #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:34 rev_david |
9:34 | @mnplatypus You just have to make sure those kids are not front & center. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:34 singingcarolyn |
9:34 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:34 MeredithGould |
9:34 | @BreadTweet ... I you would not like your picture taken, please speak to an usher." #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:34 rev_david |
9:35 | @rev_david Maybe it was easier when photos weren't allowed in the service.... #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:35 mirgray |
9:35 | @rev_david totally need to implement that this week. We have a pro photographer who is a member and shoots worship each week. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:35 MicheleLKoch |
9:35 | @MeredithGould T2a how many would have visited w/o 1st seeing the website? Might get the idea that photos are taken/used. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:35 skenow |
9:35 | @singingcarolyn Eh ... seems people often pick out and tag someone in the background, and if they'd asked not to be photographed ... #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:35 mnplatypus |
9:35 | @MeredithGould Welcome to church! We just have a few legal forms here for you to sign before you worship... #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:35 singingcarolyn |
9:36 | @MeredithGould @RevEverett I'm happy to share ours--used with kids at Camp. Will send l8r, at wrong computer now #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:36 theologybird |
9:36 | MT @mirgray: @rev_david Was it easier when photos weren't allowed in service #chsocm //When? I have worship photos going back 50 yrs. Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:36 rev_david |
9:36 | @singingcarolyn More hospitable to say, "And we offer free make-up & hair styling if you want to be snapped." #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:36 MeredithGould |
9:37 | T3 - Photos are one thing, here's another. Prayer concerns - public information or private? #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:37 rev_david |
9:37 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:37 singingcarolyn |
9:37 | T2 I get it for legal and special circumstance issues but on the whole, find parents who are “scared” just aren’t knowledgeable #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:37 adamwc |
9:37 | T3 our prayer request names (but not reasons) are in the bulletin ... which is online as a PDF #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:37 mnplatypus |
9:38 | T3: I already ask if ppl want me to share a prayer concern with anyone, sm is just part of that convo #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:38 theologybird |
9:38 | We started including prayer concerns in our wkly e-newsletter. members seem to like it. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:38 MicheleLKoch |
9:38 | Well, we're still talking about this like we control it (who records what when). that seems to be changing. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:38 bfelice |
9:38 | T3 I visited a church that had names and lots of details posted in the narthex and that made me uncomfortable #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:38 mnplatypus |
9:38 | T3 followup, but not the actual issue, just name #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:38 MicheleLKoch |
9:38 | T3: permission based. We make public some prayers for health, comfort etc., we always ask directly for permission. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:38 nealffischer |
9:38 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:38 JimNaught |
9:38 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:38 adamwc |
9:39 | @mnplatypus But online information is forever. What if a future employer googles them to guess at work health? #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:39 mirgray |
9:39 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:39 mnplatypus |
9:39 | @MicheleLKoch E-newsletters might seem to be more private, but even they can go astray. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:39 LuckyCharm333 |
9:39 | @rev_david T3: Great question. Probably should have a way to indicate how private it is. #chsocm twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:39 paulsteinbrueck |
9:39 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:39 nealffischer |
9:39 | @rev_david T3 we are not doing prayers for specific people on sm. only doing general prayers and thanksgivings #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:39 LeistCatalano |
9:39 | @BreadTweet Does it seem too clunky? Or unhelpful? Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:39 rev_david |
9:39 | @JimNaught What do most school policies say? #ChSocM Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:39 ohxjulie |
9:40 | @LuckyCharm333 yes, they can be forwarded, that's my concern if we put phone #s or link to maps to homes ect. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:40 MicheleLKoch |
9:40 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:40 LuckyCharm333 |
9:40 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:40 mnplatypus |
9:40 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:40 RevWeb |
9:40 | @rev_david T3 allow them to indicate privacy for the pryaer request #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:40 skenow |
9:41 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:41 theologybird |
9:41 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:41 MeredithGould |
9:41 | People deserve the right to tell /show their own stories, in their own time. These are/can be some tender moments. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:41 bfelice |
9:41 | @JimNaught And then closeups are okay? Interesting...I'll poke around some school district sites to check it out. Thanks! #ChSocM Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:41 ohxjulie |
9:41 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:41 LeistCatalano |
9:42 | Public/private distinctions differ according to generational cohort, often significantly. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:42 MeredithGould |
9:42 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:42 Denise205 |
9:42 | RT @MeredithGould: Public/private distinctions differ according to generational cohort, often significantly. #chsocm // So true! Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:42 rev_david |
9:42 | What older generations consider private or often considered "no big deal" to younger people. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:42 MeredithGould |
9:42 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:42 MicheleLKoch |
9:43 | @rev_david #chsocm Never put last name of people on any FB or website and would never put reasons for prayers unless toms so specifically Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:43 prkrister |
9:43 | @MicheleLKoch And Quakers? ;-) #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:43 MeredithGould |
9:43 | @MicheleLKoch "I thinks its a denominational thing to." and us Lutherans nail it to doors #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:43 nealffischer |
9:43 | All time SM fail, person posted on FB about size of tumor removed, before pt had regained consciousness & knew what happened to him. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:43 bfelice |
9:44 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:44 MicheleLKoch |
9:44 | Ways of expressing concern & solidarity differ between age cohorts. What some consider invasive, others do not #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:44 MeredithGould |
9:44 | @chsocm I send my prayer requests via text so the people at NSA can pray for me. ;) #chsocm twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:44 paulsteinbrueck |
9:44 | @MeredithGould personality is also a factor for public vs private distinctions. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:44 LeistCatalano |
9:44 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:44 LuckyCharm333 |
9:44 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:44 Ekraal |
9:44 | @nealffischer Aha, perhaps that explains our listing it in the bulletin and the other church posting it in the narthex :) #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:44 mnplatypus |
9:45 | Good service would be to help people think through these issues for their own use. Too many post first and think consequences later. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:45 Denise205 |
9:45 | @paulsteinbrueck Do NOT get me started. No one at NSA gives a hoot about anyone's anything. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:45 MeredithGould |
9:45 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:45 nealffischer |
9:45 | @MeredithGould You may be surprised to know I used to work for NSA. Seriously. #chsocm twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:45 paulsteinbrueck |
9:45 | @MeredithGould @paulsteinbrueck I'm mostly glad SOMEBODY's been listening to what I have to say ;) #ChSocM Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:45 ohxjulie |
9:46 | generation, personality, subject--all impact public/private info decisions. There are things I don't put online :) #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:46 theologybird |
9:46 | @paulsteinbrueck Not at all surprised. Seriously! Not. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:46 MeredithGould |
9:46 | T3 here's a practical example of collecting prayer requests online qub.me/T24SN0 #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:46 skenow |
9:46 | @paulsteinbrueck Really? I used to work for Microsoft, & would laugh when ppl thought we read their email. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:46 LuckyCharm333 |
9:47 | @LeistCatalano Yes, I have a chapter about personality types and #chsocm use in my new book. Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:47 MeredithGould |
9:47 | @MeredithGould @paulsteinbrueck The NSA has better things to do than monitor church discussions... #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:47 Ekraal |
9:47 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:47 MicheleLKoch |
9:48 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:48 MeredithGould |
9:48 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:48 mirgray |
9:48 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:48 RevWeb |
9:48 | @MeredithGould How about not hiring contractors at all? Keep Nat'l security in public hands! #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:48 LuckyCharm333 |
9:48 | T3 we do have other options for prayer requests (pastors, staff, private prayer chain), not all are listed in the bulletin #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:48 mnplatypus |
9:48 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:48 theologybird |
9:49 | T4 - Does more privacy (children, etc) or less privacy (transparency, etc) help the church to be a safe space #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:49 rev_david |
9:49 | T4 Not to be flip but church doesn't hurt people, people hurt people. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:49 MeredithGould |
9:50 | T4 appropriate privacy. easy answer, but has to be balanced. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:50 MicheleLKoch |
9:50 | T4 Did Jesus call us to be safe, or bold? #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:50 LuckyCharm333 |
9:50 | T4 I think there's a distinction btw transparency and privacy. Transparency combats secrecy. Privacy=healthy boundaries for ppl #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:50 theologybird |
9:50 | T4 I don't know if privacy and safety are directly correlated. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:50 mirgray |
9:50 | Yo church so old, its idea of #chsocm is a telegraph prayer chain! Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:50 yochurchsodumb |
9:50 | RT @MicheleLKoch: T4 appropriate privacy. easy answer, but has to be balanced. #chsocm // Makes sense to me. Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:50 rev_david |
9:50 | @rev_david the church is a safe place?. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:50 prkrister |
9:51 | T4 I guess that's the key, the balance between safety and outreach #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:51 mnplatypus |
9:51 | RT @prkrister: @rev_david the church is a safe place?. #chsocm // I think we try to be. Varying success. Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:51 rev_david |
9:51 | T4 If church is safe, why are so many ppl scared of it? ;-) #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:51 LuckyCharm333 |
9:52 | T4a Transparent policies (including privacy) which are well thought and acted on would lead to safer churches. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:52 mirgray |
9:52 | T4 On my prayer list: ditching the word "transparency" in favor of "truth telling." #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:52 MeredithGould |
9:52 | T4 depends on whose info you are sharing. Your own: be transparent. Others: respect privacy #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:52 skenow |
9:52 | T4 - For church, maybe the Q should be what's the pastoral thing to do about safe church/privacy. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:52 RevWeb |
9:52 | “@rev_david: RT @prkrister: @rev_david the church is a safe place?. #chsocm // I think we try to be. Varying success.” True dat! Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:52 prkrister |
9:52 | Adding it to mine: @MeredithGould: T4 On my prayer list: ditching the word "transparency" in favor of "truth telling." #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:52 theologybird |
9:53 | @theologybird Well, as you know, I go ape crazy around jargon. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:53 MeredithGould |
9:53 | MT @MeredithGould: On my prayer list: ditching the word "transparency" #chsocm // On my to-do list: Find more reasons to use "transparency" Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:53 rev_david |
9:53 | T4: It's gotta be a balance. Safety is key, but that doesn't mean keeping social media on lockdown. #ChSocM Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:53 ohxjulie |
9:53 | @rev_david Nice! Now I really am getting on a plane. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:53 MeredithGould |
9:53 | @MeredithGould Good! Church is BAD at overuse of jargon. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:53 theologybird |
9:54 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:54 rev_david |
9:54 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:54 ohxjulie |
9:54 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:54 MeredithGould |
9:55 | Here we come to the end of a great hour. Final thoughts on churches and privacy? #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:55 rev_david |
9:55 | @ohxjulie @theologybird As we lay stuff at the Foot of The Cross and Lift It Up to The Lord. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:55 MeredithGould |
9:55 | T4cont.: Organizational transparency engenders trust and loyalty. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:55 nealffischer |
9:55 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:55 MeredithGould |
9:56 | Final thoughts: seek permission. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:56 reckshow |
9:56 | Final thoughts: What you say here, what you hear here...oh wait, wrong meeting. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:56 MeredithGould |
9:56 | @rev_david Church shud b a safe place 4 ppl 2 talk a/b their doubts & failings w/o being judged or made public #ChSocM Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:56 paulsteinbrueck |
9:56 | The transcript of tonight’s chat will be posted on churchsocmed.blogspot.com within a few hours. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:56 rev_david |
9:56 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:56 theologybird |
9:57 | My last church became so "private" that most events weren't open to public. No evangelism. :-( #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:57 LuckyCharm333 |
9:57 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:57 rev_david |
9:57 | Final thoughts: Do unto others, etc. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:57 MeredithGould |
9:57 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:57 theologybird |
9:57 | Final thoughts. Be Googley. Don't be evil, allow life to be a beta (never finished), make mistakes well and learn from them. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:57 nealffischer |
9:58 | <--currently on a transition team/ search committee and got in trouble for being too transparent #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:58 LeistCatalano |
9:58 | G Coming up on the hour, we conclude with a prayer from Compline: #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:58 rev_david |
9:58 | Yo church so old, its idea of worship projection is Plato's Cave! #andtheystillcomplainaboutit #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:58 yochurchsodumb |
9:58 | Be smart, caring, and hospitable. Respect your ppl's wishes whether members or guests. Above all, be pastoral. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:58 RevWeb |
9:58 | Final thought: Don't make Jesus weep by being a jerk. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:58 MeredithGould |
9:58 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:58 bfelice |
9:58 | final thoughts: education! more ppl know=better decisions both ways #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:58 theologybird |
9:58 | CS Lewis on lion Aslan "He's not safe, but he is good." RT @LuckyCharm333 If church is safe, why are so many ppl scared of it? ;-) #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:58 RevEverett |
9:58 | Final thought: Golden Rule, but be not afraid. Mistakes will be made. Accept, learn, move on. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:58 LuckyCharm333 |
9:58 | Keep watch, dear Lord, with those who work or watch or weep this night & give your angels charge over those who sleep. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:58 rev_david |
9:59 | Thank you for the privilege of allowing me to learn from you for an hour! It's been great! #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:59 rev_david |
9:59 | Tune in next week. Same chat-time. Same chat-channel. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:59 rev_david |
9:59 | @rev_david Thank you for leading us to ponder this issue together. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:59 mirgray |
9:59 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 9:59 MeredithGould |
10:00 | Keep talking amongst yourselves for as long as you like, but the chat is officially over. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 10:00 rev_david |
10:00 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 10:00 theologybird |
10:00 | @rev_david Thank you for this chat! #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 10:00 bfelice |
10:00 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 10:00 rev_david |
10:00 | For those coveting the familiar features of TweetChat, let us pray. #chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 10:00 LuckyCharm333 |
10:00 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 10:00 paulsteinbrueck |
10:01 | @rev_david thanks for a great #chsocm chat (and thanks to my kids for finally giving me a chance to participate) Tuesday June 11, 2013 10:01 LeistCatalano |
10:01 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 10:01 MicheleLKoch |
10:01 | yes, @rev_david, it's CLEAR you have a gift for #chsocm moderation. Tuesday June 11, 2013 10:01 reckshow |
10:01 | @rev_david @MeredithGould Would love to see a blog post a/b best practices for church/online privacy issues. #chsocm twubs.com/chsocm Tuesday June 11, 2013 10:01 paulsteinbrueck |
10:01 | Tuesday June 11, 2013 10:01 MeredithGould |
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The topics:
T1: Very broad. How much privacy do / should people expect when
coming to events at church?
T1a: Do you distinguish between adults and children when it comes to
privacy & online ministry? How?
T2: Quick show of hands – how many require a photo release?
T2a: If you require a release, how do you handle visitors at events /
worship? #chsocm
T3: Photos are one thing, here's another. Prayer concerns - public
information or private?
T4: Does more privacy (children, etc) or less privacy (transparency,
etc) help the church to be a safe space.
This week's chat moderated by David Hansen (@Rev_David)
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